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		<title>Comment on On the Prosperity gospel by Andrew jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really glad to see people speaking out against the prosperity gospel. It might be great for the rolex company but it&#039;s bad news for the kingdom.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Judging Sermons by Jude St.John</title>
		<link>http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/judging-sermons/#comment-22972</link>
		<dc:creator>Jude St.John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every donkey thinks itself worthy to stand with the king’s horses.&quot;

Excellent...hee-haw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every donkey thinks itself worthy to stand with the king’s horses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent&#8230;hee-haw.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Preacher’s Clothes by Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this to help those who love Spurgeon realize that he was human?  Imagine what he&#039;d say if could have seen Worship bands nowadays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this to help those who love Spurgeon realize that he was human?  Imagine what he&#8217;d say if could have seen Worship bands nowadays!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Preacher’s Clothes by Wyeth Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wyeth Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to note that Martyn Lloyd-Jones wore a Geneva gown when preaching at Westminster Chapel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that Martyn Lloyd-Jones wore a Geneva gown when preaching at Westminster Chapel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ruth and the Proverbs 31 woman by Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this same observation in the introduction to John Sailhamer’s just-published book The Meaning of the Pentateuch, which was recommended just this morning on Justin Taylor&#039;s blog. It is amazing how things come from more than one source at the same time so often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this same observation in the introduction to John Sailhamer’s just-published book The Meaning of the Pentateuch, which was recommended just this morning on Justin Taylor&#8217;s blog. It is amazing how things come from more than one source at the same time so often.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ruth and the Proverbs 31 woman by Joe Fleener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fleener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

It is interesting that חיל is also used in Ruth 2:1 to describe Boaz. Most English translations translate it in that verse as something related to his wealth - a legitimate lexicon meaning. However, in the context of Ruth, I believe Boaz is a &quot;man of virtue&quot; an &quot;excellent husband.&quot;

Combine this with the idea of &quot;Finding an excellent wife&quot; in Proverbs 31:10. In Proverbs you never &quot;find Wisdom&quot; or anything of value by just stumbling across it - &quot;Oh look, there&#039;s an excellent woman, I think I will marry her.&quot; Not to mention the woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is not a newly married woman.

In Proverbs to &quot;find&quot; anything of value/wisdom/Lady Wisdom/an excellent wife takes effort, dedication, pursuit.

Proverbs 31 was originally written to a man, not a woman. A man who was probably approaching marriage or newly married. This poem (vs. 10-31) shows beautifully what a marriage looks like where a man is fully committed to the good of his wife - helping to &quot;find&quot; her - dedicated to being an instrument in God&#039;s hand serving his wife helping her grow to be all God has created her to be. And a wife who is fully committed to her husband - dedicated to using all that she is, her gifts and abilities in serving her family and being that instrument in God&#039;s hand helping her husband be all that God has created him to be.

Boaz &amp; Ruth are two people of truly excellent character who love and serve each other in this way. They put flesh and blood on Proverbs 31.

Sorry to wax on here. I love the book of Ruth and Proverbs (particularly ch. 31.)

Blessings in Christ,

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>It is interesting that חיל is also used in Ruth 2:1 to describe Boaz. Most English translations translate it in that verse as something related to his wealth &#8211; a legitimate lexicon meaning. However, in the context of Ruth, I believe Boaz is a &#8220;man of virtue&#8221; an &#8220;excellent husband.&#8221;</p>
<p>Combine this with the idea of &#8220;Finding an excellent wife&#8221; in Proverbs 31:10. In Proverbs you never &#8220;find Wisdom&#8221; or anything of value by just stumbling across it &#8211; &#8220;Oh look, there&#8217;s an excellent woman, I think I will marry her.&#8221; Not to mention the woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is not a newly married woman.</p>
<p>In Proverbs to &#8220;find&#8221; anything of value/wisdom/Lady Wisdom/an excellent wife takes effort, dedication, pursuit.</p>
<p>Proverbs 31 was originally written to a man, not a woman. A man who was probably approaching marriage or newly married. This poem (vs. 10-31) shows beautifully what a marriage looks like where a man is fully committed to the good of his wife &#8211; helping to &#8220;find&#8221; her &#8211; dedicated to being an instrument in God&#8217;s hand serving his wife helping her grow to be all God has created her to be. And a wife who is fully committed to her husband &#8211; dedicated to using all that she is, her gifts and abilities in serving her family and being that instrument in God&#8217;s hand helping her husband be all that God has created him to be.</p>
<p>Boaz &amp; Ruth are two people of truly excellent character who love and serve each other in this way. They put flesh and blood on Proverbs 31.</p>
<p>Sorry to wax on here. I love the book of Ruth and Proverbs (particularly ch. 31.)</p>
<p>Blessings in Christ,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dust by thepuritans</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepuritans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a warm blanket</description>
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		<title>Comment on On the Prosperity gospel by tom hudzina</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom hudzina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my wife and I have actually been to a church in colorado, believers way,  a church plant by copeland ministries and the sermon was this very text that john uses to argue FOR being prosperous. We stood up and left. I couldn&#039;t believe it. We were on vacation, and thought the church would be fine to visit having no idea about copeland ministries UNTIL that sunday. Unbelievable. I hate this gospel it with all my being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my wife and I have actually been to a church in colorado, believers way,  a church plant by copeland ministries and the sermon was this very text that john uses to argue FOR being prosperous. We stood up and left. I couldn&#8217;t believe it. We were on vacation, and thought the church would be fine to visit having no idea about copeland ministries UNTIL that sunday. Unbelievable. I hate this gospel it with all my being.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the Prosperity gospel by The prosperity gospel: exporting it; abominating it &#171; Strengthened by Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>The prosperity gospel: exporting it; abominating it &#171; Strengthened by Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 8, 2009 by strengthenedbygrace    Drop in over at Tony&#8217;s blog to find a posted video about how we Americans have exported the prosperity gospel to West Africa. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 8, 2009 by strengthenedbygrace    Drop in over at Tony&#8217;s blog to find a posted video about how we Americans have exported the prosperity gospel to West Africa. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Soul Idolatry Excludes Men Out of Heaven by Australian idol preaching series &#171; &#8230;that great city</title>
		<link>http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/david-clarkson-soul-idolatry-excludes-men-out-of-heaven/#comment-22953</link>
		<dc:creator>Australian idol preaching series &#171; &#8230;that great city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another footnote worth chasing is the Puritan writer David Clarkson, and his (enormous) sermon &#8216;Soul Idolatory excludes men from heaven&#8217;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another footnote worth chasing is the Puritan writer David Clarkson, and his (enormous) sermon &#8216;Soul Idolatory excludes men from heaven&#8217;  [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the Prosperity gospel by John Piper: Why I Abominate the Prosperity Gospel &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Piper: Why I Abominate the Prosperity Gospel &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HT [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Freud’s Flub re: the Fear of God by Jude St.John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude St.John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

this excerpt is very similar to his address of the same issue in The Holiness of God which I just finished reading.

Awesome stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>this excerpt is very similar to his address of the same issue in The Holiness of God which I just finished reading.</p>
<p>Awesome stuff!</p>
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		<title>Comment on United with Christ by Latte Links (11/1) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latte Links (11/1) &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Miscellanies: United with Christ [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on A tutorial&#8230; by Stéphane K</title>
		<link>http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/a-tutorial/#comment-22947</link>
		<dc:creator>Stéphane K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, another French speaker here… It totally messes with your mind to hear French that has nothing to do with the subtitles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, another French speaker here… It totally messes with your mind to hear French that has nothing to do with the subtitles!</p>
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		<title>Comment on On General Revelation by thepuritans</title>
		<link>http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/herman-bavinck-on-general-revelation-nature-grace/#comment-22944</link>
		<dc:creator>thepuritans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tony, I owe you thanks and blame! I went ahead and ordered Reformed Dogmatics. Imagine how surprised my wife will be when she sees them on the book shelf all of a sudden. Oh man, you are going to be in some trouble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony, I owe you thanks and blame! I went ahead and ordered Reformed Dogmatics. Imagine how surprised my wife will be when she sees them on the book shelf all of a sudden. Oh man, you are going to be in some trouble!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Babel’s Tower and My Schedule by thepuritans</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepuritans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just lost my Dad six days ago and I can attest to the fact that God will certainly reveal to us just how many plans we have made without Him. This was nothing I had planned on for at least twenty years. His death was sudden and by no means expected. Lloyd-Jones is correct. When we are under the rod of our heavenly Father, we must, even with tears in our eyes proclaim, &#039;blessed be the name of the Lord&#039;. God will be glorified. It is our duty to seek that we should glorify Him with honor versus shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just lost my Dad six days ago and I can attest to the fact that God will certainly reveal to us just how many plans we have made without Him. This was nothing I had planned on for at least twenty years. His death was sudden and by no means expected. Lloyd-Jones is correct. When we are under the rod of our heavenly Father, we must, even with tears in our eyes proclaim, &#8216;blessed be the name of the Lord&#8217;. God will be glorified. It is our duty to seek that we should glorify Him with honor versus shame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Babel’s Tower and My Schedule by Ruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! that is true and something to ponder as we plan and schedule our daily lives. Man makes his plans but God directs our path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! that is true and something to ponder as we plan and schedule our daily lives. Man makes his plans but God directs our path.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review: Complete Works of Thomas Manton by God Loves Us Because He Loves Us (Puritan Prose and Power) &#171; Publican&#39;s Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>God Loves Us Because He Loves Us (Puritan Prose and Power) &#171; Publican&#39;s Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mystery/Revelation in Progressive Revelation by John Botkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Botkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, if my words offended, Glen.  They certainly weren&#039;t meant to be rough.  Things sometimes sound different in your head then they do once you type them!  

I wasn&#039;t saying that you misunderstood Carson in general, but in the specific reference about the suffering and king together concept was a mystery.  It&#039;s certainly not THE mystery, but one of many things (e.g. marriage was created specifically to show something of Christ &amp; the Church; gentiles will be together with Jews in the Church, etc).  However, it seems we are just reading the text differently, as your comment points out.   

I do think it was a mystery because most of the Messiah passages speak of a reigning King, not a sufferer.  In fact, it&#039;s not until late in salvation history that the idea of a suffering redeemer is introduced.  That along with the fact that 99% of the Jews looking for a Messiah missed it when Jesus came says to me it was something of a mystery.  

Blessings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, if my words offended, Glen.  They certainly weren&#8217;t meant to be rough.  Things sometimes sound different in your head then they do once you type them!  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t saying that you misunderstood Carson in general, but in the specific reference about the suffering and king together concept was a mystery.  It&#8217;s certainly not THE mystery, but one of many things (e.g. marriage was created specifically to show something of Christ &amp; the Church; gentiles will be together with Jews in the Church, etc).  However, it seems we are just reading the text differently, as your comment points out.   </p>
<p>I do think it was a mystery because most of the Messiah passages speak of a reigning King, not a sufferer.  In fact, it&#8217;s not until late in salvation history that the idea of a suffering redeemer is introduced.  That along with the fact that 99% of the Jews looking for a Messiah missed it when Jesus came says to me it was something of a mystery.  </p>
<p>Blessings!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mystery/Revelation in Progressive Revelation by Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Strong words.  I&#039;ve questioned Carson on this personally.  I really don&#039;t think I misunderstand him.  And I&#039;m pretty sure he didn&#039;t think I *misunderstood* him.  But we were both very clear that we *disagree*. 

As for misunderstanding the Scriptures...

I don&#039;t know where you get the idea that the mystery is the suffering/glory dynamic.  Nowhere does the bible say this.  it says the very opposite - Acts 2; Acts 26; 1 Pet 1.

But you&#039;re right about one thing. Carson does indeed assert that the OT saints were ignorant of this.  Hence my problem with the whole paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Strong words.  I&#8217;ve questioned Carson on this personally.  I really don&#8217;t think I misunderstand him.  And I&#8217;m pretty sure he didn&#8217;t think I *misunderstood* him.  But we were both very clear that we *disagree*. </p>
<p>As for misunderstanding the Scriptures&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you get the idea that the mystery is the suffering/glory dynamic.  Nowhere does the bible say this.  it says the very opposite &#8211; Acts 2; Acts 26; 1 Pet 1.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right about one thing. Carson does indeed assert that the OT saints were ignorant of this.  Hence my problem with the whole paradigm.</p>
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